this isn't a role for the government. Professional sports do have a major social impact but so do corporations. The solution isn't more government intervention necessarily. You have to look at other fixes first, from the private sector.

There does need to be some oversight at some point though. A mixed private/public solution would be ideal.

I just disagree with the first instinct being "more government!"

11 months ago SunTzu wrote

this isn't a role for the government.​ Professional sports do have a major social impact​ but so do corporations. The solution isn't​ more government intervention necessarily. You have​ to look ... morethis isn't a role for the government.​ Professional sports do have a major social impact​ but so do corporations. The solution isn't​ more government intervention necessarily. You have​ to look at other fixes first, from the private​ sector. There does need to be some oversight​ at some point though. A mixed private/public​ solution would be ideal. I just disagree with​ the first instinct being "more​ government!" less

but why would the private sector be expected to fix this if theres no value for them. MLB was loving the steroids era before it blew up in their face, they loved the homerun smashing, the mark mcgwire and sammy sosa chases, and the barry bonds chases. it brought more interest to the sport, there was a serious conflict of interest.

why shouldnt government intervention be a solution here? i think the government is supposed to step into the private sector when this type of conflict of interest exists, where the general good of the population is being harmed, and it does do this in many examples such as the environment

I agree. I'm just thinking of a way to not spend tax dollars policing professional sports. The Olympics have a doping committee right? I'm thinking of something like that for domestic pro sports. Not even just pro sports. In all levels of sport.

I don't think the gov't should have any say in this...the most they can do is start social programs to educate the youth about this, which they already do to an extent. The fact that these sports and athletes are looked down upon, now that their secret is out, is a good way of discouraging people from using steroids.
Now that the mitchel report is out, I'm sure athletes will think twice about taking steroids which is all you can ask for at the moment.

11 months ago Anks wrote

I don't think the gov't should have any​ say in this...the most they can do is start social​ programs to educate the youth about this, which​ they already do to an extent. The fact that these​ ... moreI don't think the gov't should have any​ say in this...the most they can do is start social​ programs to educate the youth about this, which​ they already do to an extent. The fact that these​ sports and athletes are looked down upon, now that​ their secret is out, is a good way of discouraging​ people from using steroids. Now that the​ mitchel report is out, I'm sure athletes will​ think twice about taking steroids which is all you​ can ask for at the moment. less

Why is that all you can ask for at the moment? I'm trying to understand why you are minimizing the magnitude of this?

11 months ago SunTzu wrote

this isn't a role for the government.​ Professional sports do have a major social impact​ but so do corporations. The solution isn't​ more government intervention necessarily. You have​ to look ... morethis isn't a role for the government.​ Professional sports do have a major social impact​ but so do corporations. The solution isn't​ more government intervention necessarily. You have​ to look at other fixes first, from the private​ sector. There does need to be some oversight​ at some point though. A mixed private/public​ solution would be ideal. I just disagree with​ the first instinct being "more​ government!" less

I specifically remember sitting with you in Williams and you were arguing how steroids were okay. Flip flop much?

11 months ago freedom wrote

I specifically remember sitting with you in​ Williams and you were arguing how steroids were​ okay. Flip flop much?

you didn't pay attention to a word I was saying.

I was talking about performance enhancing drugs, not just steroids. There is a distinction here that requires you to open your eyes and look at the broader context of the debate and if you can't make it yourself, why am I burdened with expanding your scope?

A performance enhancing drug can be anything from a hypothetical pill that increases your eyesight to human growth hormone. I didn't say it was okay for athletes to use drugs that are harmful to them, but I did say it was okay for them to use performance enhancing drugs the same way you or I would. It's a lot more complicated than just "yes they can use steroids or no they can't."

Please don't tell me you struggle with context like haris or onassar do.

11 months ago SunTzu wrote

you didn't pay attention to a word I was​ saying. I was talking about performance​ enhancing drugs, not just steroids. There is a​ distinction here that requires you to open your​ eyes and look at... moreyou didn't pay attention to a word I was​ saying. I was talking about performance​ enhancing drugs, not just steroids. There is a​ distinction here that requires you to open your​ eyes and look at the broader context of the debate​ and if you can't make it yourself, why am I​ burdened with expanding your scope? A​ performance enhancing drug can be anything from a​ hypothetical pill that increases your eyesight to​ human growth hormone. I didn't say it was​ okay for athletes to use drugs that are harmful to​ them, but I did say it was okay for them to use​ performance enhancing drugs the same way you or I​ would. It's a lot more complicated than just​ "yes they can use steroids or no they​ can't." Please don't tell me you​ struggle with context like haris or onassar do. less

You make no sense. STFU

We aren't talking about if steroids are okay, we are talking about whether gov't should step in. If youwant to talk about context, lets keep the two separate.
I don't think performance enhancing drugs are good for any sport because i want to see the natural ability of the athlete and I appreciate it more (specifically steroids in this case).
As for the gov't intervention, I think the sport itself should monitor its athletes.